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Welcome back to the Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast, hosted by Andrew Keel. In this episode of the Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast our host Andrew Keel interviews a special guest in Daniel Burnham, managing member at Timberline Construction Group, LLC.

In this episode of The Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast, Andrew Keel and Daniel Burnham discuss the critical topic of natural disasters and their impact on mobile home parks. 

This episode is essential listening for mobile home park owners and investors who want to better prepare for and try to mitigate disaster-related challenges.

Key Takeaways from the Episode:

• Providing temporary housing: Daniel shares the step-by-step process for creating temporary manufactured housing quickly after a natural disaster.
• Collaborating with FEMA: Learn how to work effectively with FEMA to maximize the benefits of their assistance programs.
• Optimal Mobile Home Park layouts: Explore Daniel’s recommendations for designing mobile home parks when developing from raw land.

About Daniel J. Burnham:

Daniel began his career at Timberline Construction Group, LLC while pursuing his degree in Business Management at the University of West Florida. Over the years, he has cultivated extensive expertise in construction and temporary housing, helping communities rebuild and recover in the wake of natural disasters.

About Timberline Construction Group, LLC:

Timberline Construction Group is an industry leader in:

• Disaster recovery efforts: Partnering with federal, state, and local governments to provide immediate and long-term recovery solutions.
• Mobile home park development: Expanding and improving manufactured housing communities with innovative and efficient construction practices!

Don’t miss this episode filled with expert insights on disaster recovery, mobile home park development, and collaboration with FEMA. Listen now!

Andrew Keel is the owner of Keel Team, LLC, a Top 50 Owner of Manufactured Housing Communities with over 3,000 lots under management. His team currently manages over 40 manufactured housing communities across more than 10 states. His expertise is in turning around under-managed manufactured housing communities by utilizing proven systems to maximize the occupancy while reducing operating costs. He specializes in bringing in homes to fill vacant lots, implementing utility bill back programs, and improving overall management and operating efficiencies, all of which significantly boost the asset value and net operating income of the communities. Check out KeelTeam.com to learn more. 

Andrew has been featured on some of the Top Podcasts in the manufactured housing space, click here to listen to his most recent interviews:  https://www.keelteam.com/podcast-links. In order to successfully implement his management strategy, Andrew’s team usually moves on location during the first several months of ownership. Find out more about Andrew’s story at AndrewKeel.com.

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Talking Points:

00:21 – Welcome to The Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast.

01:25 – Managing a mobile home park after a TORNADO rips through.

04:20 – Working with FEMA: How to get support and what happens after the first 12 to 18 months.

12:00 – Mobile home park development and current building processes.

18:00 – Best practices for building mobile home parks from raw land.

19:15 – Why involving contractors early is critical to mobile home park investing success.

21:40 – Breaking down cost per mobile home park lot during ground up development.

23:45 – Investing in mobile home parks as a passive investor.

27:30 – Mobile Home Park key utility infrastructure recommendations from Daniel J. Burnham.

31:41 – How to connect with Daniel J. Burnham.

32:43 – Episode conclusion.

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Links & Mentions from This Episode:

Timberline Construction Group, LLC: www.timberlinecg.com 

Timberline Construction Group, LLC phone number: 800-848-8300 (Clay Curtis)

FEMA’s federal acquisition side: https://sam.gov/ 

Keel Team’s official website: https://www.keelteam.com/   

Andrew Keel’s official website: https://www.andrewkeel.com/   

Andrew Keel LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewkeel  

Andrew Keel Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/PassiveMHPinvestingPodcast 

Andrew Keel Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/passivemhpinvesting/ 

Twitter: @MHPinvestors

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TRANSCRIPT

Andrew: Welcome to the Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast. I’m your host, Andrew Keel, and today we have an exciting episode for you with special guest Daniel Burnham, Managing Member at Timberline Construction Group.

Before we dive in, if you get value out of this episode, I would really appreciate it if you could leave a review. It means the world to me and helps us get more listeners. All right, let’s dive in. 

Daniel started with Timberline while pursuing his degree in Business Management from the University of West Florida. Since then, he has developed extensive experience in construction and in the industry of temporary housing. 

Timberline Construction Group’s primary focus is working with federal, state, and local governments to assist in immediate and long-term recovery efforts after natural disasters. They’ve also developed multiple mobile home communities and have also expanded multiple mobile home communities. Excited to dive in. Daniel, welcome to the show. 

Daniel: Thank you so much. I appreciate being on the podcast here.

Andrew: One of the top questions I get from a lot of new investors is what happens when a tornado comes through and rips up half of the trailers in your park? What does that look like from an investment standpoint? How do you hedge that risk? Or is it just one of those situations where you’re just out of luck? 

You have been dealt hands-on with a lot of those types of situations, so maybe tell us from experience what that looks like. 

Daniel: We’ve responded to disasters in a lot of different ways—fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, flooding—and each one presents its own response, if you will. A lot of our responses are government-issued. The government, whether it’s federal, state, or local government, hires us to come in and do a scope of work that may include a full replacement of a manufactured home. It may just include demolition and may include debris removal. 

We work hand-in-hand often with FEMA, with state agencies, with local governments to really help with that immediate response. Probably more important for your listeners, we also work with a lot of private investors that have had scenarios like that recently down in Florida, where some flooding occurred. The homes within the park needed to be removed, and new homes needed to be put in. We helped fill and are currently helping them do that.

That scope of work includes demolishing existing units that may be damaged to the point of irrepair, so we remove everything that’s on site. In some cases, like in flooding, there may be a FEMA flood map that’s been updated that requires some elevating of the new units. 

We work with private investors to do a number of different things that may be including providing a new product to put back in place. It may be getting the existing home simply off the lot so that they can re-evaluate what to do with the park moving forward, or they may have a good plan and they want to go back with an existing home on the park.

We help them with the home. We help them with the site prep. We help them if there’s damage to existing utilities within the park. We can go in and test the utilities, water, sewer, and storm drain to determine whether or not those are still adequate. 

If they decided again to put a final product in and we can help them do that, install the unit, build steps, ramps or carports, sheds, driveways, walkways, even to the final point of sodding and ready to occupy the unit. We help and have helped and enjoy helping people get back on their feet after disaster. That’s a little bit of what we do and how it works. 

Andrew: That’s so cool. I have a list of questions, and then I just keep coming up with new ones. What we’ve been told, as mobile home park investors and through different seminars and such, like when Katrina came through and messed up a lot of mobile home parks, is that the homes that got messed up either by wind or flooding. They were hauled away and then because there was a need in that vicinity for housing, FEMA came in and brought these FEMA homes and filled these parks up again with these FEMA homes. 

Basically from what I’ve heard—I haven’t gone through this myself—is that FEMA was offering checks to people to help get them back on their feet even if they didn’t have insurance on their mobile home prior. Is that what really happens, Daniel? 

Daniel: Very good question, and excited to talk about it. FEMA typically jumps in and helps when insurance does not. The response that they do and the money that they give really varies depending on the presidential disaster declaration and what money’s made available. 

I will tell you for your listeners, there have been a lot of times that park owners have benefited from—I hate to say it like this—a natural disaster. If the situation happens where their homes are destroyed—I’ll just tell you what I’ve seen before—I’ve seen FEMA come in, help clean up the park with an agreement to rent the spaces so that they can put temporary housing, and ultimately people in those temporary housing units for 12–18 months.

What happens is park owners, their park is damaged and it needs a lot of work, so FEMA helps in that cost of moving some of that old product out and making the pad sites available for new units to be placed in. They’ll bring (again) temporary housing units. They’ll bring in units. 

One of the things that we do after a disaster is help manage and install those temporary housing units for FEMA. Some of your listeners may have had parks and do have parks and have been in areas of disaster and we’ve worked within their parks bringing in temporary housing units for FEMA. 

What I would encourage listeners to do is after a disaster, if your park has space or if your park has had some damage where it may create space or pads for temporary housing units to be placed, I would highly recommend listeners reach out to FEMA. Make it known to them the spaces that are available and how many are available. 

Most of the time after a disaster, they are actively looking for places to put temporary housing units. If you just had mobile homes destroyed in your park and you’re losing that income, this is a great way to get those pads back filled and get income coming in and also help the community and help those that have been displaced by disaster. 

Andrew: That’s a great tip there, Daniel. Thank you for that. With FEMA, they will still own the homes. They’re not giving these homes away to the tenants who lost their home because they didn’t have insurance. They’re not giving the homes to them or are they?

Daniel: In most cases, especially ones that we’re aware of, they are simply a temporary resident, so they do not sell the units. Now, there may be special cases that I’m unaware of that happens, but in most cases it is a 18-month agreement that they have with the local jurisdiction. FEMA comes in, provides this temporary housing, and typically within 18 months. There are other programs that are available for longer-term housing, but the FEMA temporary housing units, typically 18 months.

Andrew: Then what happens with those homes afterwards? Do you guys come in and the tenant moves out? Tear the homes down and then move them to a holding lot until they’re sold at auction? Or is there another plan with those homes after those 18 months are up?

Daniel: After the 18 months are up, really it’s at FEMA’s discretion what they do with them, and they’ve done a number of different things. Sometimes they’ve donated those to different charities. Sometimes they’ve donated them to other organizations that could use them. FEMA does have staging yards where the units may go back and be rehabbed for some other purpose.

It really varies, but most of the time, those units are taken off of that park pad, and now you’ve got a park pad that’s ready for a new unit to be placed. But typically, FEMA will ask us to remove those units and take those back to holding.

Andrew: Got you. This may be a question you may not be familiar with, but it’s more of an insurance question. On all of our parks, we typically carry loss of business income insurance. In a bad scenario like this, a natural disaster, we would have income 3–12 or 18 months to help pay our bills while we get things back to normal. Have you seen that play out prior? Has that, with the parks that you’re coming into, needing that money? Or is this FEMA temporary housing thing keeping them afloat? 

Daniel: Frankly, I don’t know the answer to that. That’s an area that I don’t get to see or privy to. I could only speculate.

Andrew: Sure. No worries. Well, let’s pivot a little bit, Daniel, because that’s really awesome. I appreciate you sharing that about the natural disasters and the temporary housing piece. Is there anything we missed on that before we move into what you’ve done with developing mobile home communities? Anything you think that park owners should know or passive investors should know about this?

I mean, it’s good to know that FEMA is still using these parks as a way to get housing quickly into an area that desperately needs it. Have you guys worked on some of the recent stuff in western North Carolina, like some of the hurricane damage over there? 

Daniel: Yeah. Personally, our company has not been in the western side of North Carolina. Now we have worked for probably the last three years in the Eastern area of North Carolina, providing some longer-term response and state-funded permanent housing on the eastern side. 

To answer your question, though, I would encourage park owners to just reach out to FEMA. Some people may say, well, how do I do that? Well, one of the ways to do that is FEMA has a federal acquisitions website called sam.gov. They can go and see what all needs the federal government has. 

Most of the time when they need, when they ask about, are there mobile home parks in the area that would be interested or have capacity for pads for them to place temporary housing units, they will post what they call an RFI on sam.gov, which is a request for information, asking the public is there anyone out there that has pads available for FEMA. They’ll typically have an email that you can respond to letting them know what you have available. They can help use that in times of need. 

Andrew: Awesome. Cool. Thank you, Daniel. Let’s pivot. How did you guys get into expanding and building mobile home communities from scratch like the development side of things? 

Daniel: Great question and exciting one for us, because we work often with FEMA and have for many, many years on the management of installing, deactivating, and maintaining temporary housing units. We were working with FEMA on a contract after hurricane Michael in the panhandle of Florida. 

The question was, hey, we don’t have a place to put manufactured homes. We need a place to put them and we’ve identified a few spots that the city will give us the fairgrounds and a few other places, but they need some work. It’s just land. There are no utilities there. There’s no electrical or sewer or water. Can you guys help us modify or develop this land to make it so that we can put travel trailers and manufactured homes? 

Within about a 90-day period, we took eight different sites of about 400 pads and developed them into suitable spots for travel trailers and manufactured homes. 

Andrew: In 90 days?

Daniel: In 90 days, yeah. It was exciting. FEMA has a way of motivating you to get things done quicker than you would in the public. We were excited to do it, happy that we met the mile marker. It was an exciting day for us. That’s how we got into the business with a bang.

Through that process, we like to hire a lot of people who are diversified in their background. As we were posed with the question, we asked ourselves internally, do we have the resources, the manpower, and the technical knowledge to do this type of work? We’re excited to look back in 90 days and see what we were able to do.

Andrew: That sounds just like a whirlwind. 400 lots, build them in 90 days. What type of material did you guys use? Is it still a mobile home park to this day? Or was it decommissioned after the need for temporary housing went away? 

Daniel: The roadways and things were mostly aggregated to help speed the process up and the sites were temporarily donated for this purpose. Once the need was no longer there, not us, but another contractor came in and decommissioned the sites back to the original use. 

Andrew: Got you. What did you do for the sewer and the water lines? Did you use PVC and the whole bit? All of that […] water lines, what’d you use it all for? What’d you do?

Daniel: There was a local sewer connection that we were able to tap into through help with the city and utility providers. We were able to tap in and install stub outs right close to the pad sites. Some of them are directly underneath and within the pad. Same thing with the waterline. We tapped into a main waterline and were able to stub up right close to the unit. 

Really, we look at the construction, the civil side of things in one look, and that is how do we get utilities and things right up close to the pad? How do we get the pad built ground to make sure that the unit runs away from the unit?

We’ll get those utilities up to the pad side itself including electrical. We’ll set a 200 pedestal there, and then our installation crews will come in and connect to the pedestal connected to stub out and to the water source. All fun and had a lot to do. 

Andrew: That was a temporary park that you built. Tell us about some of the other ones that you’ve built that are still existing to this day that are longer-term expansion projects or ground-up.

Daniel: We’ve worked in a lot of different states. I think one of our benefits with working with people, private investors that are interested in building or expanding manufactured home parks is because of our FEMA experience and because of our ability to mobilize where the work is needed, we’re just a little bit different from other contractors. We’ll go where the work is. We can do that. We’re pretty flexible. We’re pretty nimble and agile in that ability. 

We’ve built parks and/or expanded parks all across the United States. Currently working in a park in Michigan, which has been interesting with the weather, but we’ve worked in a number of other places with cold weather. We have some experience in that area, but we’ve expanded parks in Tennessee, Texas, and Florida. 

Andrew: You do everything. The roads, the water lines, sewer lines, installing the homes, concrete pads, footers, you guys do it all. 

Daniel: We can do as much or as little as the client would for us to do. But I will say there’s some efficiency, I think, when the client and the contractor work together. From our perspective, the more scope that we can oversee, coordinate, and manage, typically, there’s benefit for the client. They see some time efficiencies. They even see some financial efficiencies there that we can pass on to them. 

We’ll do everything from virgin ground, moving the dirt, installing utilities, electrical, sewer, water, and storm drain. Then if they want to purchase the unit from us, we have a manufacturing facility. Be happy to work with them on providing a product that meets what they’re looking for, and installing it for them. 

Andrew: Very nice. That’s so cool. Sounds like you guys are the full package. When it comes to designing and building mobile home communities, what would you say are some of the ideal functions, ideal amenities, and ideal setups that you’re looking for that you want to implement? What are the most important features or considerations that you take into account when expanding or building from raw land?

Daniel: From a building and development perspective, having utilities close by is a huge money saver. Having the ability to tap into water, adequate water source, an adequate sewer source, those are really key benefits that I think any investor, anyone looking at building a park should consider. I think that’s critical. It’s extremely cost-beneficial if those utilities and sewer connections are close. 

Electrical power companies can typically work with us to get the power source that we need. That’s a little less concerning, but definitely water and sewer. Having those things close is extremely beneficial.

Andrew: Have you guys done private systems like wastewater treatment plants and lagoon systems and built those as well? 

Daniel: We’ve done some wastewater treatment systems. We’ve helped repair some of those. Those are beneficial when needed, but nothing beats having the ability to tie into the local systems.

Andrews: Public systems, yeah. Okay, what are some mistakes that you guys have made in the development of mobile home communities that some of our listeners can maybe learn from? 

Daniel: I don’t know if it’s a mistake necessarily, but probably a benefit is including the contractor early. If you’re looking at a site, including the people that you plan to use to help develop the site, whether that’s the contractor, whether that’s the engineer, include those early. That way, you can do a really good job on due diligence. 

Again, not necessarily a mistake that we’ve made, but it’s just one that we see often and that is surprising after the fact. You never want to be surprised after you put together the budget. You know what the numbers look like, where you need to be and everything. The stars align and you’ve got a good investment. Surprises are typically unwelcome. That’s a big key factor there.

The other thing that I’d say from our perspective, and I guess this could be for your listeners as well, is to know what you do well and then know what you don’t do well. A lot of the work that we do is in house. There are things that we manage and we subcontract to others and it’s because we know that, for example, asphalt paving, we don’t want to go to a new area and—

Andrew: Worm a lot of equipment across the country, right?

Daniel: Correct. Working with a local asphalt provider is typically what we do. We may or may not work with a local electrical subcontractor. Most of the time, though, I’ll tell you that we do because they know what the power company needs, requires, and wants to see. That makes things a little bit easier. 

When you’re looking at that, know the people you need to get involved with, and then hopefully they’re being transparent and honest with you. Have them do what they do best. If that’s us, which we’d love to help your listeners develop, we’ll be transparent, honest, and open with them.

If there’s a task that we can manage and subcontract, then we will relay that. I think it’s critical to be open and honest with the team, to emphasize what you know how to do, what you don’t know how to do, and what others can do better. 

Andrew: Totally. What would you say, Daniel, is the average cost per lot to develop and get it ready for a home?

Daniel: If I’ve been asked that question a thousand times, definitely that’s the number one question that people ask, especially at trade shows and things that we go to. That varies so much. It really depends on what you have there, what resources are already on the site, what needs to get to the site, and how you lay out the site. 

An investor of yours might be interested in taking a 200-acre park and putting 100 units in it. Or they may want to take a 200-acre park and put 500 units in it. It really changes based on the end need. I’ll give you some very widespread numbers. It could be $20,000 a lot. It could be $100,000 a lot. It really just depends on what the end product is. 

Andrew: If it was going to be just in the middle of the road, asphalt streets, paved off-street parking for two vehicles, city water and sewers right out front you can tap into. Just a ballpark figure just to get a little more narrow there. Just for the listeners, what would you guesstimate? 

Daniel: I’ll preface that by saying it really depends on how well the site balances. Are there a lot of fields that need to be brought in? Is there a lot of dirt that needs to be removed? I think 30, 40, or 60 is probably a fair range there. To get any closer to that would be a little bit tough, but be happy to talk to whoever your listeners are that might be interested in drilling down on some of that.

Once we look at a site, we do some measurements of infill and how well that site balances, and really know what the customer or the client is interested in, then we can get pretty close without the back of the napkin numbers. 

Andrew: Sure. I was just wondering about the high level. If you were looking to invest as a passive investor into an operator’s ground-up mobile home park development project, what key factors would you consider and look into before investing in that project? 

Daniel: And you’re asking on behalf if I were a passive investor looking to invest in a park?

Andrew: Correct. Just with your knowledge base, how you would go about it to try to safeguard your investment. 

Daniel: I think there’s some truth to if you put bad data in, you get bad data out. What I see, I don’t want to say most often, but often is a group that may not quite do the due diligence that’s needed. What I would be looking for would be someone who’s looked at the details. 

Andrew: Like what? When you say details, like zoning, building department, or how far the utility infrastructure is away? Is that stuff or is it more details like plumbing materials and accessibility, things like that? 

Daniel: Not necessarily plumbing materials. Maybe because of our business, that’s less of a concern of mine. I think the scarcity of material supplies has gone away, what we’ve seen 2–3 years ago where you had to pre-order stuff early, that’s passed and done.

That doesn’t necessarily concern me as much, but I would say the due diligence of zoning, environmental concerns, and how far do you have to run that water line, or are we building the park as efficiently as we possibly can? Meaning are we maximizing the pad sites that are needed? The more pads you can fit in there and still acquire the end result that you’re looking for, the more you can spread that cost out over a per-pad site.

Those are the things that I would make sure that the group that I would be investing with has looked at, because those things can add up to be big things and ultimately blow a budget. Nobody likes to be on that side of things. Zoning, environmental concerns, are there […] issues? Are there flood risks? Or are there contaminants on the site? All those things. 

Now, then you look to the sales side of it, depending on the way that the pads are going to be provided to the public, whether it’s a park-owned unit or whether it’s a leased pad site. I think having an investor that’s also done the due diligence, not only on the development side but also on the sales side, knowing their competitors, knowing what the local market yields and how that park is set aside from other parks, I think is important as well. 

Andrew: Definitely. That’s a great insight there. One question that came up when you were talking is for those investors that are looking at buying an existing mobile home park, looking at the utility infrastructure, and doing due diligence on that. What would be your ideal infrastructure? Would it be PVC, sewer lines? We see a lot of cast iron water lines that get corroded and things like that.

I guess what would be your ideal utility infrastructure materials for sewer, water? What would the pedestals be? Will they all be 200 amps like you mentioned earlier? How many transformers? What would you say would be that ideal utility infrastructure? Then I’m curious about your thoughts on some of the older materials that have been used and their life expectancy.

Daniel: The engineer would probably dictate what specific materials are designed. I would probably say, consult with your engineer. Get them engaged early. I personally would stay away from cast iron if I could. That tends to present some problems.

Andrew: It’s just so popular. A lot of these parks are 50-plus years old and that’s just what they used. What is a more ideal water main material? 

Daniel: PVC is a great product. It’s a fairly inexpensive product. PVC is a great, great, great option. There are other great options as well to go with. I guess what I would say to any investors, if you’re looking at a park, again, engage the contractor earlier.

For example, us. We could go out and there are specific tests that we could do. We dug up portions of the water line and figured out what type of water line there is. Those are things that will cost a little bit of money on the front end, but we’ll definitely save some costs and expenses on the back end.

If there are concerns, we can help with that to get specific on some of your questions here. Your pedestals, for example, electrical. I would highly recommend 200 amp. Most manufactured homes today are going to need a 200 amp service. If you have 100 amp service there, just know that whatever the home that’s placed there is, if it leaves, there’s most likely an update that’s going to be needed to that pedestal.

Factor all of that cost in. Again, I cannot stress enough, get the contractor, whether it’s us or someone else involved early so that they can help you do that. They can help vet out and be attentive to those details, whether or not it’s connected to city sewer, whether or not you’ve got issues with a treatment facility. Testing those things, really digging in and getting your hands into the operations of whether or not they’re going to last. Because like you said, and you asked the question, how long will some of these things last? Well, some, if they’re taken care of, last a good while. 

Andrew: What is that? Fifty years? A hundred years? What a good while that you’ve seen?

Daniel: I’ve seen components last 50-plus years if they’re installed, use the right material, and they’re taken care of. I’ve seen 50-plus years. I think that would be a good target for someone when you’re updating a park to go with. 

First off, you’re going to have to build it to the local jurisdictional code, which is going to specify some upgrades that typically were not specified 50 years ago. They’re going to help you achieve some of those changes that will help extend the life of the product you’re putting out there. But, yeah, I’d say you get it easily 50 years out of it. 

Now again, 50 years out of the 50 year old park, you’re definitely at the life expectancy there. You might get longer. But if you’re looking at a park, I would just highly advise you to pay attention to those details, look at it, understand the risk of taking on a product that’s old and maybe has some issues, because that’s going to cost something.

Andrew: Yeah, and I would say probably 70%–80% of the parks that we buy are over 50 years old, and the water and sewer lines have never been replaced, so they’re at their life expectancy. They’re mostly galvanized water lines and clay tile sewer lines in the Midwestern parks that we’ve bought.

If they were installed right and maintained at a decent level, you think that they can withstand 50 years and even longer than that, if I’m hearing you right. 

Daniel: Yeah, they can. A lot of times, vegetation and things will cause issues if trees grow up around where the pipe is installed. All of those things could play a factor in the life expectancy of it. So it could be a risk and it could be costly, engage the contractor early. 

Daniel: Okay, awesome. Well, Daniel, if any of our listeners would like to get a hold of you to talk about temporary housing solutions or mobile home park development services, how can they connect with you to learn more about you and your company?

Daniel: Two different ways. Number one, if you go to our website, it’s www.timberlinecg.com. There’s a contact form there that you can fill out and that goes straight to my desk. That’s a great way to reach out to us just to let us know what you got going on, so we can pinpoint you in the right direction. Be happy to talk to you. It’s free of charge. Happy to talk through what’s yours, and what your ideas are and see how we could work together on it. 

Then I’ll give you our office number. It’s 800-848-8300. You can ask specifically for Clay Curtis, and he can get you in contact with the people that you need to get you going.

Andrew: Awesome, Daniel. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. 

Daniel: All right. Thank you so much for having me, Andrew. Been a pleasure. 

Andrew: That’s it for today, folks. Reminder, if you got value out of this episode, please leave us a review. Thank you all so much for tuning in.